Sunday, November 11, 2007

Violent sexism and wife beating in Islam - Part 2



Mohammad found wife beating quite alright, almost a fan you might say. Let's go to the Hadith: (read it carefully, a wife is bruised so green that she matches her clothing, but it is ok...Mohammad actually criticizes the woman in the end!). A thank you to answering-islam.org for finding it.

"Narrated Ikrima: 'Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married her. Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by the beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's messenger came, Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes! When Abdur-Rahman heard that his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifaa." Allah's messenger said to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that Abdur-Rahman said, "Yes." The prophet said, "You claim what you claim (that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow.""

Notice that the believing women suffer more than the rest. They get green bruises, but the prophet is ok with it.

61 comments:

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.

In the Name of Allaah.

May Allaah Destroy your foulness and corruption and that of those who are with you.

Surely you cannot put out the Perfect Light of Allaah with all your lies, nor with all of the lies of mankind and jinn put together.

The "researchers" who put this horribly mistranslated and extroaordinarily evil blog together should be ashamed of their Kufr, their Fusuq, and their Kathaba Bid Deen Al Islaam.
'Their Disbelief, their Transgression beyond bounds, and their Lies in the Religion of the Submission'.

How will it be for you [FROM SURATUT TAKWEER} FROM THE QURAN]when the Sun is rent apart?
When the Stars dim and fall?
And when the Mountains are destroyed?
And when the pregnant camels are left without delivering their babies?
And when all of the beasts are herded together?
And when the oceans boil over?
And when the souls are brought together with their bodies?
And when the female babies that were buried alive are asked;
"In which sin were you murdered?"
Souls will see what they put forward.
Then I call to witness the Planets that recede.
Those straight and those that hide.
And the night when it recedes.
And the dawn when it breathes away the darkness.
Surely it is the Word of a Noble Messenger.
Given Power, from the Presence of the Throne of Honour.
And Not is your Companion (MuHammad Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam) possessed.
And Truly he saw him in the clear Horizon.
And not is he inventing the Unseen.
And not is he speaking words of Satan, the Accursed outcast.
Then where are you going?
Surely he is only a reminder to all the nations.
To who of you wills to go Straight.
And not will you will to except as Wills Allaah the Lord of all the nations.

The age of marriage is the age of puberty, no matter what inventiveness or convictions of invented morals you fools invent into your law books.

No one can replace the Law of their Immortal Creator.

Be ashamed of your ways of living, lying against your Lord, you foul degraded ones.
You kill your babies while they still sit in the merciful womb!

You fornicate and spread your physical and heart's diseases upon the whisperings of your lower desires.

Become Repentent that your heart may be turned by your Lord, Allaah (called that Name by Jesus, 'Alaihi is Salaam, and every prophet).
He is capable of all things, only He is Al 'Adhzeem, Al Haleem (the Supreme One, the Clement and Forbearant).
Only He who allows you to live still and not die yet and tortured for eternity in Hellfire for your Calumnies, rumors, lies, and Disbelief.
Only Allaah can, if He Wills, turn hearts so diseased and befouled with your pollutions toward the Truth and Light of The Eternal One, the Often-Accepting of Repentance.

Seek the Guidance of Allaah and obey Him and His Messenger, MuHammad Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam NOW.
Otherwise; to you your Religion and to me mine.


-JASON QUDDUS MOW, a 30 year-old MUSLIM with relatives dating back to the signing of your constitution and yor civil and revolutionery wars.
DO NOT POST SUCH FOUL EVIL LIES REGARDING YOUR LORD OR HIS BEST CREATION EVER AGAIN OR FACE SERIOUS PENALTIES, HE ALONE KNOWS WHAT YOU FACE AT THIS POINT IN TIME!

Silly Allah said...

Thank you sir for this post. First off, it is hilarious. Second, you commit a number of the standard fallacies, which I can now use for the education of others:

ad-hominem:
"May Allaah Destroy your foulness and corruption," "The "researchers" who put this horribly mistranslated and extroaordinarily evil blog together should be ashamed of their Kufr," "You kill your babies while they still sit in the merciful womb!" "You fornicate and spread your physical and heart's diseases upon the whisperings of your lower desires." ...too many...

begging the question:
"Perfect Light of Allaah," "No one can replace the Law of their Immortal Creator." "Only Allaah can, if He Wills, turn hearts so diseased and befouled with your pollutions toward the Truth and Light of The Eternal One, the Often-Accepting of Repentance." ...again, too many

This is a great (and silly) assertion that surely begs the question:
"The age of marriage is the age of puberty, no matter what inventiveness or convictions of invented morals you fools invent into your law books."

Uh, first off, read the actual Hadith in my blog, Mohammad married Aisha by age 6 (well before puberty) and even had sex with Aisha by age 9, while she was still playing with dolls before puberty. Second, you cannot assert that the age of marriage should be by puberty because a woman must have the emotional maturity to understand marriage, sex, and relationships. Age 6 and 9 are not it. And a 54 year old having sex with a 9 year old therefore spells pedophile in most countries.

Next...actually, I think that is it. Other than some random scriptures that make no sense plus the mentioned fallacies, you really had no other argument. In other words, you were upset by what you read, but had no counterargument . Now, shouldn't that tell you that you are the one lying? You are committing the worst lie - to yourself.

QuddusMow said...

AlHamdulillaah,

As Salaatu Was Salaamu 'Alan Nabiyi Umiyi, the unlettered Prophet mentioned in Isaiah, Al MaaHiy.
Bismillaah:
(In the Name of Allaah):

I hereby quote from "Al LuuLuu Wal Marjaan, a compilation of AHaadeeth shared in both SaHiH Al Bukhaariyu Wal Muslimun:

SaHiH Al Bukhaariyu, Hadeeth Number 234, Volume 5:
"Hadeethu 'Aaeeshata RadhiyAllaahu 'Anhaa:
Qaalat:
Tajawwajaniyn Nabiyu Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam,
Wa Anaa Bintu Sitti Sineen,
FaQadimnaal Madeenat,
Fanazalnaa Fiy Baniyl Haarithi bni Khazraj,
FaWu'Iktu FatamarraQa Sha'Ariy,
Fawafiy Jumaimat,
FaAtatniy Ummiy,
Ummu Ruumaan,
FaInniy Lafiy UrjuuHat,
Wa Ma'Iy SwawaaHibu Liy,
FaSwarakhat BiyFaAtaituhaa Laa Adriy Maa Turiyd Biy.
FaAkhathat Biyadiy Hattaa Aw Qafatniy 'Alaa Baabid Daar,
Wa Inniyl Anhiju Hattaa Sakan Ba'dHu Nafasiy,
Thumma Akhadhat Shay'an Minm-Maa'in FamasHat Bihi Wajhiy Wa Ra'Siy,
Thumma AdKhalatniyd Daar,
FaIdhaa Niswatunm Minal AnSaari Fiyl Bayt,
Faqulna:
'Alal Khairi Wal Barakat,
Wa 'Alaa Khairi Twaa-ir.
FaAslamtniy Ilaihinna, FaASwlaHna Min Sha-niy,
Falam Yaru'niy Illa Rasuulullaahi Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam DhuHaa,
FaAslamatniy Ilaih,
Wa Anaa Yawma-Ithin Bintu Tis'i Sineen."

That is the word for word transliteration which has not been altered since it was spoken by her first hand (for well over one thousand three hundred years).

Know that 'Arabiyya [Arabic] is the mother of all languages and far superior to English and that translating it is not as good as learning and understanding it.
In Translation:
'Narrated 'Aa-ishah May Allaah be Pleased with her:
My marriage contract to the Prophet, May Allaah Shower His Grace upon him and Give him Peace, was written,
And I was a woman of six years.
We stayed in Al Madeenah,
Then we were sent with the family of Al Haarith ibni Khazraj,
Then I got ill and my hair fell down,
Later on my hair grew, and my mother, Ummu Ruumaan,
came to me and while I was playing in a swing with some of my female friends,
Then I went to her, not knowing what she would to to me.
Then she caught my hand until she made me stand at the door of the home,
And I was breathless then, and when my breathing became normal, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it,
Then she took me into the home,
There in the home I saw some AnSaari women who said, "Upon the Good and the Blessings and upon the Good Luck."
Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me,
Unexpectedly The Messenger of Allaah, upon whom may Allaah Shower His Grace and Give him Peace, came to me in the forenoon,
Then my mother handed me over to him,
And I that day was a woman of nine years.'

8:73:151, you quoted, is not referring to what you said, but clearly refers to the time before their marriage was consummated.

Apparently you are instructing the people in the way to discuss Islam with Muslims using fabrications and pushiness in what you say though you are totally wrong.

Silly Allah said...

Again, your new post was both funny and dishonest.

First you quote in Arabic and English from Sahih Bukhari 5.234, from which I've already quoted on Mohammad's pedophilia

So, basically, no new information.

Second, even that Hadith states that they were married at 6, "My marriage contract to the Prophet, ..., was written,
And I was a woman of six years" and also states that she entered Mohammad's house to consummate the marriage at 9 "Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

Furthermore, we learn more about the circumstances when we understand some of her thoughts on the day she was sent over. In her own words: "not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house." She did not know what this was about. Why? She was just a nine year old girl who did not have the emotional maturity to understand marriage, sex and a 54 year old man suffering from pedophilia.

She also said:
"came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends" You see, at the moment that she was taken to the house of Mohammad, she was playing on swings. She was just a little girl.

Now, let's continue. It appears that you are embarrassed by 8:73:151 because it explicitly states that she was playing with dolls and had not reached puberty. You have asserted with no proof that "I am totally wrong." Well, go to the Hadith, read it and see the context. Better yet, look at this Hadith (which I should probably add to the page):

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311:

"A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old."

You can't hide from the truth.


Finally, let's go to simple facts: she married by 6 and had sex by 9. By letting Mohammad's perversions get the better of him, he set the stage for millions of Muslims after him. Older men for centuries could now use him as their example when they wanted to have sex with pre-pubescent 9 year olds. This is clearly not a religion for all time from an all knowing god.

QuddusMow said...

He is the Messenger of Allaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam, Allaah can Give him whatever He Wills, you have no say in the matter, whatsoever.

Furthermore, stop writing this evil blog and doing evil to your own soul.

QuddusMow said...

A'UuthuBillaahi Minash Shaitaanir Rajeem
(I seek Refuge in Allaah from the Evil One the Accursed Outcast).

BismillaahirRaHmaanirRaHeem.
(In the Name of Allaah the Most Beneficent the Most Merciful).

Your points are not valid.
At 6 years old, 'Aaishah, Ummul Mu'minuun, Radhiy Allaahu 'Anhaa, was only a child.
At 9 she was ready for marriage.
If you have read, as your emails suggest, then it may be clear to you that neither she, nor any of the other people said bad things about An Nabiyullaah, MuHammad, Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam.

When I was nine I played on swings and I wanted to get married, but Im not as good as the best generation of mankind ever.

You allege falshood and insult regarding the dear one of your very Creator, young man.
You may care for little ones, but you do not know better than your Lord that which is best for anyone of His Creations .
You have little knowledge.
Allaah has All of the Knowledge, young man.

Your judgement regarding what is best for yourself is clearly under developed and mistaken.
Your judgement on what was best for a woman far better than you who is an example to every woman alive who is one of the wives of the Best of Created Beings Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam is clearly not rational.

How do you judge?

You are no more than a slave of the one who Inspired the Wahi of Revelation communicated by the Angel 'Alaihi is Salaam to Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam.

I would far prefer to meet you in person to discuss this with the appropriate Historical documents and materials with me.

Your insults are answerable with very serious punishments considering the Subjects of your lies.

Do refrain from stating columnies about your Lord or His Final Prophet, Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam.

Silly Allah said...

Ah, you continue to entertain. Let's examine your posts. You recently did two quick replies.

Your first one was the usual ad-hominem,, calling my blog evil "Furthermore, stop writing this evil blog and doing evil to your own soul."
Here's a thought, if your allah were actually real, he wouldn't need you to tell me to stop my blog. It would just happen, right?

OK, then your next reply was much longer.

I think, not sure, that you start with an ad-hominem calling me evil. You have another one later, calling me a slave (again, I think - it's hard to understand you).

Your main retort this time appears to be another fallacy, called circular reasoning. You assert that "At 9 she was ready for marriage." Your proof is that "you do not know better than your Lord that which is best for anyone of His Creations ." So basically, it's ok to have sex with a 9 year old because Muhammad did it, and Muhammad/Allah know best. Sorry, it's circular reasoning to use your source to prove your source.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah:

Allaah is the Doer of All that He Intends!
You ought not to try to find fault with that which has NO FAULT, oh you man astray from the Straight Path.
Are you not grateful to be alive and let to wander blindly in your contumacy and satisfaction with the your worldly life?
Would you then question your Lord as to why he lets you live rather than separating your soul from its body as is the inevitable.
But would you rather die now and begin torment in a constricting and fire-filled grave.
No.
But you should be grateful you have not yet entered that which is so torturous.
You should be patient and grateful to our Lord, Allaah, that you have not yet been Caused to begin the answering for your present deeds of evil.
You, like Satan the Accursed Outcast, have a time of respite in this Dunya of 'Earth'.
A time, not all time...
Though Allaah Allows His creations to live or even prosper in the world (Dunya), that does not infer their eternal prosperity, oh man.
Do not think you will live forever with your computer and your misplaced apparent superiority complex.
You lie to your own discredit, if you knew what you were doing and the reality of these subjects, which you will come to know of, then you would halt your evildoing, oh man.

You have in recidivist fashion in the past made light of that which is more heavy than the Whole World and all that is in it, that being the Name of your Lord, Allaah, that which has NO FAULT oh you man astray from the Straight Path.
This name is the SAME NAME USED BY CHRITIANS IN ARAB LANDS!
This name is the NAME USED BY JESUS upon whom be the Peace FOR HIS LORD!
I don't assume that I can take you from your misguidance, but your statements are in error and all of the false ones are completely and totally refutable.
If I go make WuDHu' (a process of Tahaarah or purification) and actually take proofs from Al Quraan and Al AHaadeeth and maybe even your own book of lies and a little Truth left from the Historical Fact and maybe even generally acceptable translation from the actual Word of Allaah, then the refutation may be visible to even you, oh apparently blind and deaf one.

Another point of concern for me is that clearly (to one who could see at least) Allaah never needs any of His Creations, not me, certainly not you, nor His much higher echelon Messengers upon whom be His Peace.
Though you speak outrageous and ridiculous lies, they do not subtract from the Truth of your Lord.
Neither you, nor anyone of the unrighteous, or anyone of the righteous can change the Way of Allaah, the One, the Dominant, the Most Wise.
Allaah Gives to whom He Wills Rope that they may wander, and whom He Wills He Guides upon the Straight Path.
You cannot continue your pathetic evil talk for much longer, oh man, as each soul will taste of death, even 350 years is just a short time compared to eternity...
No man knows when he will die; I am trying to prepare for my death that I may obtain Mercy from my Lord, Allaah.

Third, I am not here for your entertainment.

Fourth, and very importantly and pertinently, Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam, did not just go and take the precious virginity of Al Ummul Mu'minuun, Hadhrat 'Aaishah RadhiyAllaahu 'Anhaa.
He, Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam, apparently married her, waited three years, then consecrated his Lawful marriage with his wife, Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam wa Radhiy Allaahu 'Anhaa, by the Divine Will of their Lord in no less than an exemplary way.
That does not infer, as you shameless man have suggested, that anyone can commit the Kabeeran (GREAT BIG) SIN of sexual intercourse outside of marriage, nor sexual intercourse with other than one's wife or a woman that one possesses with one's right hand (a lawful slave who consents to the sexual intercourse).

Woe to you, oh man! You cease not to fail yet, sir.
What you state as being proven right has not proven you right nor will it.
It may be a big loss that your illusioned vision misses, though you don't yet see the ground rushing up from under you.

QuddusMow said...

A'uudhuBillaahi Minash Shaitaanir Rajeem,
BismillaahirRaHmaanirRaHeem.

"SubHaana Rabbika, Rabbil 'Izzati, 'Ammaa YaSifuuna, Was Salaamun 'Alal Mursaleen, Wa AlHamdulillaahi Rabbil 'Aalameen"

'Glorified is your Lord, Lord of Might, beyond what is attributed falsely to Him, and peace be upon the Messengers, and The Praise is to Allaah The Lord of the Universe.'

The Best Words are The Words of Allaah!
The Best Guidance is the Guidance of Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam.
Seek Refuge in Allaah, of man from the evil of what you have done.
Repent.
Amend.
Become a Muslim before your time of death and then cannot change your plight.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah;

Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Alaahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam was shown by Angels 'Aliahi mos Salaam taht he had to marry this excellent woman RadhiyAllaahu 'Anhaa among the best generation of mankind.

How is that compared to the sick and evil extremes of the World today with men and women meeting illicitly and wronging themselves?

Overall, 23% of sexual assault offenders were under the 18 and 77% were adults - Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

40% of the offenders of victims under age 6 were themselves juveniles. A similar proportion (39%) of offenders of victims ages 6 through 11 were also juveniles. For older juvenile victims, the proportion of juvenile offenders dropped to 27%.
- Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

Adults were the offender in 60% of the sexual assaults of youth under age 12. Rarely were the offenders of young victims strangers. Strangers were the offender in just 3% of sexual assaults against victims under age 6 and 5% of the sexual assault of victimizations of youth ages 6 through 11.
-Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

50% of reported child molestations involve the use of physical force and child molesters produce as much visible physical injury as rapists-39% of victims.
-Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study.

Like rape, child molestation is one of the most underreported crimes: only 1-10% are ever disclosed.
-FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin.

1-3 Girls and 1-7 Boys under the age of 18 ors are sexually abused.
-1989 Report presented for Fed. Parliament (RCMP) Jaclyn Mace @ Statistics Canada

The abuse and neglect of America's young nearly doubled between 1986 and 1993.
-The Oakland Press, 9/19/96 from a study by the Department of Health and Human Services.

1 in every 3 to 4 girls is sexually abused before age 18 and 1 in 6 to 8 boys is sexually assaulted by the age of 18.
-Diana Russell Survey, 1978

A 1996 national incidence study conducted by the federal government found that girls are sexually abused 3 times more often than boys.
-Sedlak, A and Broadhurst, D (1996) Executive Summary of the Third National Incidence
Study of Child Abuse and Neglect.

It is estimated that at least 20% of American women and 5-16% of American men experienced some form of sexual abuse as children.
-Finkelhor, D (1994) Future of Children.

More than1/2 the violent crimes committed against children involved victims age 12 or younger.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

75% of sexual abuse victims are abused more than once.
-Conte and Schumerman, 1984.

These and other staistics were found on www.yellodyno.com .

This is indicative of diseased society that considers the Law of their Lord, The Lord of all lives as incorrect.
The same societal legislators consider their own ideas and the ideas of past, present, and future peers (lawakers of such magnitude of arrogance) to be superior to the Divine Law of their Creator!

Woe to the Disbelievers!!!

Silly Allah said...

Even more entertainment! (whether you want to be entertaining or not).

As usual, you have the ad-hominems, but this time you added in threats about me suffering in torment with fire-filled grave. Oh that's great. You realize that it means nothing to me because I don't follow your delusion in imaginary beings.

I would love to go through your response line by line, but you have no new points. None. And of course you want me to "repent" - now that was funny.

In all seriousness, have you even considered what I've written in these blogs? From your first point, you've blindly defended Islam. What if Islam is really just the silly rantings of a 7th century lunatic about his imaginary friend?

Think a little bit.

Silly Allah said...

During the time it took me to respond, I noticed you published another comment. This time, you included information that has nothing to do with my point: Mohammad was a pedophile who married a 6 year old to the objection of her parents and had sex with the girl by the time she turned 9. You information was all non-sequitir

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah:

The United States has the highest rates of teen pregnancy and births in the western industrialized world. Teen pregnancy costs the United States at least $7 billion annually.

Teens have higher rates of gonorrhea than do sexually active men and women aged 20-44.

Chlamydia is more common among teens than among older men and women.

Young Americans between the ages of 13 and 24 are still contracting HIV at the rate of 2 per hour.

Statistics from http://whs.wsd.wednet.edu/Faculty/Lynch/sadd/statistics.html .

Your logic and the logic of many of today's society's peoples is evil and wrong.

Silly Allah said...

More non-sequitir.

Tell me, if teen pregnancy is such a problem to you, why did your prophet have sex with a pre-pubescent 9 year old who enjoyed her dolls and played on a swing?

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah:

Allaah's last Messenger Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam was righteously married.

The teens having illegal (unmarried) sex are exemplifying the opposite of the righteous marriage exemplified in the accounts that you have spent some of your efforts inanely insulting.

The sex of the sinful teenage people of the US (and even more adults, Inshaa'a Allaah, is punishable with 100 lashes for the unmarried, and death by stoning for the married.
None but some unfortunate losing ones argue with the Divine Law of Allaah.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.

What I have written in direct refutation of some of your foul lying allegationery commentary has been written in a seriousness well founded whereas the "seriousness" that you speak of is shaky and lost.

You have not brought any real evidence regarding your false allegations, rather mere examples of mistranslations from some people trying to translate what a devoted slave of Allaah ought to learn 'Arabiyya to understand better, and other evidences of your own lack of real Guidance.

Another serious point!:

There is no Muslim who may 'apologize' for his Religion as you have quoted falsely that there are "Muslim apologetics"; we are Commanded by Allaah:

A translation of Surah 5: Ayah 3:

"Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

The Religion of Al Islam is the only Acceptable Religion now.

How do you think those are dealt with who rejected the Message that Allaah sent with 'Iisaa (Jesus) 'Alaihi is Salaam?
The Deniers of Faith are another generation than that.
You place yourself, in your evil quotations, among the peoples who deny their Lord's Command to Submit to Him and Obey Him.

SubHaan Allaahu Wa Ta'Aalaa, wa Allaahul Ghaniyun Hameed.

Glorified is Allaah and Highest Exalted, and Allaah is the Supremely Wealthy Without Needs, The Most Praiseworthy.

Silly Allah said...

Again, I appreciate the entertainment as I'm sure my readers will agree.

And again, you've shown no ability to seriously understand the level of brainwashing that has happened to you.

I hope all the readers saw this part: that adultery is
"punishable with 100 lashes for the unmarried, and death by stoning for the married." Our friend here condones stoning and whipping. That's Islamic brainwashing for you.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah:

SubHaan Allaah.
As Salaatu Was Salaamu 'Alar Rasuulullaah.

I'm surprised that you are as faithless or just ignorant as your prior statement makes you.

Have you ever read your 'Old Testament', or are you one of those ones that think some man who was called Paul or Saul of Tarsus was endowed with the ability to quote reality from Allaah?

Some extremists among your sect of separatists, not the obedient ones to Allaah who actually followed 'Iisaa (Jesus) 'Alaihi Is Salaam actually think that the world purified now.

That and that all the sins of those who believe the blasphemy of the false doctrines of those who call themselves "Christians" (a term never used by 'Iisaa 'Alaihi Is Salaam) are removed because he died for their sins...

That is some whopper of a story.
How that came from the Truth that 'Iisaa 'Alaihi Is Salaam spoke is not to my knowledge yet.


Well in that section of the book called the Bible (generally as the "Bible" is so messed up it has more editions than I remember), there is abundant reference to punishments to those who would commit the Kabeeran Sin of ILLEGAL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.

Hmmmm.

Well now let us think about this aside from the brainwashing that Satan inspired in your rolemodels.

OK, stoning to death for illegal sexual intercourse- The Truth from The Lord, The Law Given to Muusaa (Moses) 'Alaihi Is Salaam.

OK, stoning to death for married illegal intercourse- The Truth from The Lord, The Law Given to MuHammad Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam.

What Allaah Causes to be abrogated or Allows to be forgotten, He Replaces the better therewith.

Your desires from your heart or anyone else's or your "preferences" are inferior and weaker, without ability to truly compare, than the Absolute Truth.

The Brainwashing you so loosely term in me is a BIG MISNOMER Mashaa'a Allaahu Ta'Aalaa (as Wills Allaah in the Supremely Highest).

The knowing that The Truth is True without the doubt you so obviously are diseased with is called Yaqeen or certainty.

Your insults to me are ignorable, but your insults aimed inaccurately and yet unscrupulously toward The One and only God and His Final Messenger Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam do not fly.

I don't yet know what, oh man, but something very serious will come of your and other's assertions, other than their obvious failure.

To you your religion and to me my Religion.

You, nor anyone else can ever put out the Light of Allaah.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.

Allaahu Akbar.
As Salaatu Was Salaamu 'Alar Rasuulullaah.

No argument stands up before the Truth; Allaahul Haqq.

Allaah is The Truth.

Who could stand before Allaah except as He Allows?!

You better re-align your loyalties.

Al Haqq (The Absolute Truth) has come and knocked the brains out of Al BaTil (the falsehood).

Silly Allah said...

This is perfect. You have highlighted the top fallacy amongst Muslims ad hominem tu quoque. Please go to the page and actually read before arguing because you're making a fool of yourself.

If you go to the page, you'll see that I say:

Ad hominem and tu quoque
"This is the most common fallacy used by Muslims . It is basically throwing away someone's argument because of some issue with the person or person's group. Usually, they switch the attack to Christianity or Judaism, comparing the Bible to the Koran, because they think I'm Christian or Jewish. Since I am an atheist, it doesn't work."


Do you understand why it is a fallacy? Because pointing out the problems in another religion (in this case Christianity) does not absolve your religion of it's problems.

The fact is you condone stoning and whipping, just like these Muslims: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7q8s4tcCGEk

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.

Whether you choose one type of disbelief or another does not change the fact that you don't believe.

The words that you post are untrue if your a Buddhist or a Kabbalist.

I assumed you had more belief than you actually do; I assumed too much of you!

My mistake.

I am not embarrasing myself though to my knowledge, but maybe the refutions that I have been remarking are embarrassing you.

Your position of a fall without you realizing it is more blind than I thought.

There's no point in asking "don't you see", so I will remark for those who might see instead of you.

Whether one disbelieves from the position of being of the people of the Book (the Real one, not the edited one [there's no copy available that I know of in the world today), or the being is disbelieving whilst worshipping other than Allaah, or even says they don't believe in anything, they are still in Disbelief, a totally losing group to be in.

To believe is an excellent pursuit and "The Believers must win through" hence striving toward those ends of True Belief behoove the entirety of the creations that have this burden called choice.

Introduce yourselves humbly to some Muslims of the Sunnah Ar Rasuullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam and take Shahaadah and becom Muslim.

Silly Allah said...

More entertainment. A lot of religious talk with no new facts. At least you have realized your mistake. Although, you did have time for more ad-hominem ("they are still in Disbelief, a totally losing group to be in.")

You can try to address the other readers here, but, unfortunately for you and your cult, you've revealed that you condone Islam's commands to stone and whip adulterers. You are so lost in your cult that you don't understand how offensive that is to others. At least these Muslims did and tried to hide it from the inquiring journalist.

It is interesting that you want to ask me "don't you see," because it is you that is blindly following in your brainwashed state. You are so afraid of losing faith that you won't even consider the facts in this blog. Wake up before you waste your entire life on an imaginary friend.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah;

Actually, I think I already got to that garbage video before you and commented on the Kufr that the two uncovered women testified to and the Bid'ah and conjecture of the male spokesperson.

You can't find real proof for your falsehoods so you grasp at some claims of ignorant people who have no place speaking about what they are questioned on by an ignorant culture of denial and sin.

You should quit while you are behind and try to minimize your self-destruction.

I'm not joking, young man, this life is not a game or a fun past-time when you see it for what it is.

Life's not bad, but it's serious, and it is opportunity for improvement and striving to draw near to the one who has Created.
---That is for those whom Allaahu Ta'Aalaa Favors with Al Hidaaya Wal Islaam.

In the mean time there are those who would not cease their denial of reality and the very best, even if they were to be Gifted to visit the Gardens of Paradise.
There are those so lost, even if they saw Al Jannah, they would still deny.
For your sake, and for the hope that you'll stop your very insulting and unacceptable Blog, I hope you are not one of those losers who will deny until it's too late for their belief to help them.

Bye for now.

Silly Allah said...

This is great. Now we are getting to the real Muslim style: dishonesty, threats, and the promise for when I'm dead. Of course there's the usual ad-hominems - this time I'll highlight one that isn't even against me "garbage video." That one is especially funny to me because it's just a panel discussion where Muslims are squirming in their chair trying to deny that Sharia's answer to adultery is whipping and stoning. The great part in here is that you've already condoned stoning and 100 lashes - is that why you thought the video was garbage? Because they try to deny the stoning and lashes that you hold dear?

Next - the dishonesty and lying. "You can't find real proof for your falsehoods." You're not clear on the reference, probably on purpose. Either way, this blog is backed up by words from the Quran and Hadith directly. Either you believe that the Quran and Hadith are full of falsehoods or you are just lying.

Then - the threats:
"You should quit while you are behind and try to minimize your self-destruction."
"your very insulting and unacceptable Blog, I hope you are not one of those losers who will deny until it's too late for their belief to help them" this one had a little ad-hominem thrown in :)

and, finally, the wonderful promises of reward when I'm dead. Don't you love cults - always promising things when you die because, as we all know, there is no magic in real life. I'm not gullible enough to believe in a cult that can't fulfill on any it's claims of an "all-powerful, all-knowing" being until I'm dead. If silly Allah existed, he would do something right now. Oh, I almost forgot, here's the quote:
"visit the Gardens of Paradise."

Lastly, for the readers, Kufr (or Kafir) is a derogatory term used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, apostate from Islam and even between Muslims of different sects. It is usually translated into English as "infidel" or "unbeliever." Let's see what the Quran has to say about unbelievers:

5:51 "do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

8:12 "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah:

AlHamdulillaah.

Someone woke up funny or something.

I have'nt been saying differently this whole time.

You're way off base and show nothing new to back up your lies.

No matter what you do produce, it does'nt change the facts.

Allaah is Al 'Adhzeem, the Supreme One.

Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam obeyed his Perfect Lord (and all of our Lord) in marrying his exalted wife, Hadhrat 'Aaishah RadhiyAllaahu 'Anhaa.

They were married when she was 6 and lived together from when she was 9.

There is nothing wrong with this!

There is wrong with the disobedience and evil disbelief of those who try to find fault in their own flawed ways with Allaah, the only God, and His Last Prophet and Messenger, MuHammad Al Habeebullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam.

There is no fault in Allaah!

Ar Rasuulullah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam is a MErcy from Allaah to all Creation!
He Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam would not even touch the hands of the women who gave him their allegiance in faith!
This man is the best of Creation!
Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam!
May Allaah Shower His Grace upon him and Give him Peace!

You are a mislead youth who skepticises about that which he has little knowledge.

You haven't even discovered the actual differences between good and bad.

I have not once argued against the Al Quraan Al Kareem or AS SaHiH AHaadeeth, but that has been your work in this discussion.

You are a liar obviously, as anyone who peruses our actually on-line discussion can read for themselves, oh young man.

Kaafir-Disbeliever.-----DEFINITION

You have quoted two translated Aayat Min Al Quraan Al Kareem.

Aayah 8:12 is in reference to the Battle of Badr in which actual Malaa'ikah 'Alihi Mos Salaam (Angels) took part in actually hitting and killing Kufaar (such as yourself, apparently) at the Command of your Lord, in such manner as mentioned.
Actually their work was distinguishable after the battle in the burn-marks on the Kaafir necks, fingers, and toes.

The Kaafiruun (an actual people of barbarism, like yourself), who disbelieved in their Lord's Command and the Command of His Nabiy Sal Allaahu 'Aliahi Was Sallam were persecuting and harming and torturing the Muslims (kind of like what you're doing but physically also).
Allaah Promised Help to Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam and as always did as He Promised.
He 'Azza Wa Jall doesn't have to drop you dead because of the evil you spout out of your mouth or write with your hand or think with your head, nor has He ever had to.

A'UudhuBillaahi Minash Shaitaanir Rajeem,
Bismillaahir RaHmaanir RaHeem:

"Wa Maa Anzalnaa Ilaa Qawmihii Mimba'dihiy Min JundinMin As Samaa-i Wa Maa Kunnaa Munzileen, In Kaanat Illaa SayHatanw WaaHidatan Fa Idhaahum Khaamiduun"

'And We didn't send unto his people forces from Heaven and not do We ever Send such, truly it was only One Shout then they were silenced.'
"Yaa Hasratan 'Alal 'Ibaadi Maa Ya-Teehim Minr Rasuulin Illaa Kaanuu Bihiy Yastahzi-uun"
'Oh the suffering upon slaves We don't Send to them Messengers except they always make fun of them.'

http://alhidaayah.net/newsletters/news15.pdf

Unless you alter course drastically, young man, you're hit.

ONE SHOUT.

Not when I want it, not if you ask for it (even in more ways than one or two or three), not if most of mankind deserves it for millenia.
Only when Allaah Wills will He take your life, or end a nation, or stop your foul mouth.

The Truth is Sufficient, your lies do not suffice anyone, nor the lies of any other person or people, those calling themselves atheists, Muslims (though their not), those call themselves Christians, or Jews, or Hindus, or anything else.

You don't control your own life, let alone your Creator!

You really will stop your evildoing eventually!

So Stop!

Silly Allah said...

Beautiful - you make my points for me.

More dishonesty and threats.

You claimed I was making falsehoods, yet all I have done is to quote the Quran and Hadith. In the Hadith, it is very clear that Aisha was still playing with dolls and swinging on swings as a pre-pubescent 9 year old when Muhammad had sex with her. I (and I'm sure my readers) think that sex with an underage girl is wrong.

The next part of your message is a bunch of ad-hominem ("You are a mislead youth"), begging the question fallacy ("There is no fault in Allaah!") and threats ("Only when Allaah Wills will He take your life, or end a nation, or stop your foul mouth"). All of which were pretty funny to me so thanks for the entertainment again. First off, I'm probably older than you. Second, Allah can't will much because he's imaginary...ouch! LOL, just kidding, nothing happened.

The rest of your message was hard to understand, except you seemed to not like my definition of Kafir (I got it from Wikipedia and the reader is encouraged to verify). Also, it seemed that you were threatening me on Allah's behalf and telling me to stop. Thanks for the laugh, but if Allah is so powerful why does he need you to do his talking?

If you want to do Allah's talking for him, then please logically explain any of the mistakes that he/she has made in the Quran. Go to the inheritance mistake. I noticed you read the Ezra mistake, but, instead of providing a counterargument, you simply wrote ad-hominems and other fallacies. Since you can't provide a logical counterargument based on facts, you have to concede that Islam is false. You are blindly believing with faith not reason, and are afraid of critically examining your religion. In fact, you don't even want me to critically examine your religion.

Wake up!

QuddusMow said...

Bismillah:

You lie:
"You claimed I was making falsehoods, yet all I have done is to quote the Quran and Hadith."

You quote, then you express your own opinions and theories, and lies.

I will repeat myself that Allaah does not need me or you or anyone or anything else.

You have a real problem with reality.

The record of what I wrote is clear.

I don't know how old you are.

There are no mistakes in Al Quran.

Your lies about Allaah, Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam, or me do not change who we really are.

I am no more than a Muslim, a man, slightly educated.
If I spend the time and energy to research all of your nonsense allegations and document it all, I fear I would be wasting my energy in that you seem to be blind to the Clear Truth in the first place, and when you're proven wrong, and proven that you stand on nothing.

You're wasting your life, I am not entertained with your waste of my energy.

Silly Allah said...

Well you start out with the standard ad-hominem fallacies, etc.

Then:

"There are no mistakes in Al Quran."

OK, prove it. Prove my mistakes wrong.

Show where, outside of the Koran, there is proof that "The Jews" say that Ezra is "The Son of God." Muhammad made a mistake and you know it.

Here's another one, tell us all how to divide the inheritance when a man dies and leaves behind two wives, two parents and 3 daughters:

2 wives: x%
2 parents: y%
3 daughters: z%

Since "Allah makes it all clear," it should be easy, correct? So what are the percentage splits?

QuddusMow said...

Wailak!
Woe to you!
Stop your blog!

Silly Allah said...

I'm not stopping the blog, so you can put that out of your head.

Instead, you should examine your religion critically. Maybe you could be wrong? Try to answer the questions I've presented instead of running away. Even blind faith is considered blasphemous in Islam, correct?

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah:
A'UudhuBillaahiMinash ShaitaanirRajeem
Im not leaving my Religion for any reason, Bi-Idhnillaah.

AlHamdulillaah, your blindness does not spread to me.

Even if one believes without knowing their full obligation to Allaah, it is better than the darkness you folks exist in, taking the evil ones for friends at the disobedience of Allaah and His Habeeb Rasuul Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam.

Im not trying to carry on some nonsense idle conversation with you, oh wandering one, Im a grown man and have things to do other than chat with a misguiding argumentalist.

Silly Allah said...

Run away then. I'm sure you are a grown man. A grown man who has faith without reason - blind faith. At your age, it is probably frightening to try and undo all the brainwashing that has occurred. Your world may turn upside down.

Why don't you return when you are ready to critically examine your religion. For now, you can fear the truth if you like.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah,
I'm not one to turn my back on my enemy.
You are fighting a losing battle, sir, and one that will surely be a huge loss in its finality.

Silly Allah said...

More threats. What's amazing is now I am your "enemy." Of course this makes sense given your cult's emphasis on avoiding, despising and killing unbelievers.

I hope all the readers have caught this comment.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah:

Those who disbelieve are the enemy to those who believe; may Allaah turn your heart to Him.
Yahdiyka Allaahu.
May Allaah Guide you.
Sincerely,
Jason Quddus Mow
QuddusMow@hotmail.com

Silly Allah said...

I hope all readers get to your last message:

"Those who disbelieve are the enemy to those who believe; may Allaah turn your heart to Him."

This is the way Muslims view unbelievers. Don't be fooled. Don't attempt to see your own ideology reflected back at you. Muslims (yes even "moderate" Muslims) see things very differently, and you are the enemy in their eyes. They are not tolerant of you. The ideas are not from tradition, but from the Koran directly:

5:51 "do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

8:12 "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."

Is it any wonder that the favored form of prisoner execution by Islamists is beheading?

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.

You quoted this from a translation from Al Quran Al Majeed:

8:12 "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."

Well then; once again I will direct the attention of the beholders here to the Truth rather than your slight of hand tactics:
This Aayah is in regard to the battle of Badr and if read with Tafseer (the proper way to learn Al Quran Al Kareem, with the surrounding story of its Revelation circumstances) one would notice that it refers to fighting the evil aggressors who came to attack the peaceful Muslims.
Allaah Helps whom He Wills and whom Allaah Helps, none can defeat them.

In response to your allegation that we are not tolerant of the readers...
Which I am one of...
Muslims ARE NOT PERMITTED TO AGGRESS AGAINST OUR NEIGHBORS.
We are Commanded to treat our neighbors with kindness, almost like family in the efforts of goodness to them, unbelieving people included.
We are Commanded to treat unbelievers in general with kindness and justice and warned not to let our hatred for a people lead us to treat them unjustly.
Whether people voice it or not, they have prejudices and feelings in their hearts.
Just because Todd dislikes something about Abdullaah, doesn't mean he's going to fire a gun into his place of work.
If Abdur RaHmaan dislikes something about Gerald, he is not then permitted to push him into a wall, though the suggestions of the ShayaTeen would direct people toward fulfilling such base desires.

MuHammad Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam did not defend himself, but he would argue when the fight came to the Words of Allaah or to that which he was Commanded to defend.

>You have posted so much falsehood and false information on this site there is requirement for extensive refutation, I am not committing myself yet to that endeavor with my full attention as I have other important duties to attend to at this moment.b>

Silly Allah said...

Ahh, you have returned after all :) Funny, enough, you continue to make my point about Islamic culture with every point. In the previous post, you clearly called me your enemy. In the last post, you have blatantly lied...a little Taqqiyah perhaps?

WRT this quote:

8:12 "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."

You said
"This Aayah is in regard to the battle of Badr and if read with Tafseer (the proper way to learn Al Quran Al Kareem, with the surrounding story of its Revelation circumstances) one would notice that it refers to fighting the evil aggressors who came to attack the peaceful Muslims."

LOL, ah yes, the "peaceful Muslims." It's funny that you call it the "battle of Badr" - don't you mean the "raid of Badr". Let's look at the Hadith directly:

Tabari VII:28 “Abd al-Rahman said, ‘Muhammad celebrated the night of 17 Ramadhan. In the morning traces of sleeplessness would be on his face. He would say, “On this morning Allah distinguished between truth and falsehood, revealing the Qur'an. On this morning he made Islam mighty, humbling the leaders of unbelief at Badr.”

Typical grandiose crap...what next?

Tabari VII:29/Ishaq:289 “The Apostle heard that Abu Sufyan [a Meccan merchant] was coming from Syria with a large Quraysh caravan containing their money and their merchandise. He was accompanied by only thirty men.”

Hmm...a caravan with thirty men?

Tabari VII:29 “This incident had provoked a state of war between the Prophet and the Quraysh and was the beginning of the fighting in which they inflicted casualties upon one another.”

OK, so raiding Muhammad raiding a caravan started a state of war...

Ishaq:288 “Allah divided the booty stolen from the first caravan after he made spoils permissible. He gave four-fifths to those He had allowed to take it and one-fifth to His Apostle.”

Ishaq:289 “Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, ‘This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey.”

Muhammad the pirate...this is getting interesting and rather sick, frankly.

Tabari VII:29 “Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah's Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty.”

This raid...easy booty. Isn't it any wonder that the Quran section I quoted from, 8, is titled "Spoils of war, Booty"?

Now, the final nail from Bukhari:

Bukhari:V5B59N702 “Allah did not admonish anyone who had not participated in the Ghazwa [raid] of Badr, for in fact, Allah's Apostle had only gone out in search of the Quraysh caravan so that he could rob it. But Allah arranged for the Muslims and their enemy to meet by surprise. I was at the Aqabah pledge with Allah's Apostle when we gave our lives in submission, but the Badr battle is more popular amongst the people. I was never stronger or wealthier than I was when I followed the Prophet on a Ghazwa.'

So your great "battle" was actually a raid for booty. Don't tell lies. It was actually a series of raids to help Muhammad take over the trade routes culminating in Badr.

Now let's return to the beginning:

8:12 "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."

Not only did Muhammad instigate the raid, steal from the defeated, but then told the people to commit murder. And you follow this guy?

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.

Perish in your rage against the Religion of Truth!
Your lies dribble from you like the saliva of an infirm old man who has lost his mind.

You misquoted SaHeeH Al Bukhaariy and wrote rob where it says something else.

You have insulted the name of Allaahu Ta'Aalaa wa Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Allaahu 'Aliahi Was Sallam too many times and you should suffer very much!

B. James Stinson said...

Two Michigan State University law students have written a scholarly article on wife beating and wife discipline in Islamic Law, posted on Cienfuegos blog at http://gimmetruth.wordpress.com/2006/06/04/discipline-as-a-means-to-marital-reconciliation/ and I have posted brief comments on my Therapeutic Family Law blog at http://therapeuticfamilylaw.blogspot.com/

Silly Allah said...

I would love it if the contents of your article were true in their entirety. Instead, it appears to be a whitewashed view of women's rights in Islam.

It's a rather long article with many false points, so it's best to point to one. In fact, this is the most important point because it focuses on the vicious word in 4:34. The authors of your article fail to acknowledge the correct words in the Quran:

وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ, waidriboohunna

You'll notice the letters: idrib in the middle. This phrase means to strike. As I stated in the first post on violent sexism and wife beating in Islam, it is used clearly in verse 8:12 to mean "strike off their heads"

In your article, the word "idrib" is falsely ignored and referred to as "spanking." From there, the whitewashing is easier.

Even the translation used, Yusuf Ali, says "beat them (lightly)." However, Yusuf Ali added in "lightly" on his own. That is not in the Arabic.

Let's continue, they falsely cherrypicked the wrong Hadith. In the post that you commented on, you can read Hadith that is relevant to the discussion of wife-beating. You'll see Aisha say "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women." Also,here, you can see Aisha say directly about Muhammad:
He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?

I prefer to stick to the facts rather than whitewashed propaganda. Speaking of which, let's read from Amnesty International:

“according to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences, over 90% of married women report being kicked, slapped, beaten or sexually abused when husbands were dissatisfied by their cooking or cleaning, or when the women had ‘failed’ to bear a child or had given birth to a girl instead of a boy.”

If you want to know, what real Muslims believe...read the Koran and Hadith for yourself. Look at quddusmow commenting here, who is fine with 100 lashes for adulterers. Remember Taqqiya and the culture of dishonesy. Read for yourself.

QuddusMow said...

Allaahu Akbar!
Bismillaah.

Whatever MuHammad Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam did was good.
He was not abusive nor was he an angry person, to the contrary he was of kind and caring and excellent nature.

His example Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam, as compared to any given American or Chinese, or Belgian, or any other contemporary male's example of husbandry is outstanding and far excels them in goodness.

Your fault finding gets you nowhere good and can never end in success, only failure no matter how excited you get with your analyzations, skepticisms, or qualifications.

Again, your unflattering terminology get's you nowhere good, sir, I'd love to meet you and have a long face to face interaction, but you nitpick from behind a bulkhead of circuitry and facade.

The evil deeds of a non-Muslim or the evil deeds of one who calls himself a Muslim do certainly not change anything of the Goodness of Allaah, and not either the goodness of His final Messenger, Noble MuHammad, Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam, nor do your remarks.

Sincerely,
One who is not your friend.

Silly Allah said...

Again with the fact-free assertions, and again with the lies. I don't worry, though, because the readers are smart enough to see that you have been unable to refute what's on the blog.

It's interesting that you want to meet me face to face and simultaneously you call me your enemy. The same kind of face to face that other Muslims would like to have with Salman Rushdie? Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Ali Sina? Geert Wilders?...like what happened to Van Gogh?

If Islam is the one true religion, then you should be able to refute what's on the blog. You can't because the facts stand.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillah.
The only facts on the blog are the truth that's there.

I simply have not invested myself into the effort of researching and putting together the refutation of your thoroughly put together assembly of nonsense remarks and wrong conclusions and misinterpretations.

I have something else to do right now.

Allaah does not need me, but we all need Him.

I intend to get back to this refutation of your blithering idiocy.

Silly Allah said...

Again, thanks for the entertainment. Your last post was great:

"The only facts on the blog are the truth that's there."
Happy we finally agree!

"I simply have not invested myself into the effort of researching and putting together the refutation of your thoroughly put together assembly of nonsense remarks and wrong conclusions and misinterpretations."
A little Taqqiya again to mix with your ad-hominem? Every reader can see how many posts you left (24 posts! Some quite long!) - you clearly have enough time if you could refute anything.

And you ended with more ad-hominem, how nice:

"your blithering idiocy."

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.
Actually Im busy with more than one matter right now.
But your still quite wrong as is obvious to anyone with good sense.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.
Unless your Muslim or are speaking THE TRUTH of your and all of our Lord, which you don't regularly as evidenced by your calumnies against Him (that are ridiculous), then I DONT AGREE WITH YOU.
You are an evil man, sir, to speak badly of Allaah and His Final Messenger, Sal Allaahu 'Aliahi Was Sallam.

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.
That's a reference of good to the Final Messenger of Allaah, Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam.
Stop your evilness and attempts to manipulate people by their appeal to logical processing of information by comparing contemporary values to Divine Decree.
Can you argue your way out of Jahannum (Hell)?

Silly Allah said...

"Can you argue your way out of Jahannum (Hell)?"

That's a softball question - there is no hell. There is no Allah, and there is no hell.

Muhammad came up with a successful cult concept and you've clearly bought in hook, line and sinker:
- you don't question your faith
- you can't leave the faith (death and/or hell in afterlife)
- strict, guidelines on how to manage your life
- us vs. them mentality and jihad-like focus on resistance
- leader has his own rules different from others (how many wives did Muhammad have?)

There's more - just go to this website: http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

My favorite, though, is not even on the list, but it's your threat against me:
- you get punished or rewarded in the afterlife so you can spend your whole life without proof

Learn to question, learn and understand rather than attack and threaten.

I know you really believe I'm evil, but you've now inspired me again for a new blog post. I hope I have time this weekend.

QuddusMow said...

A'UudhuBillaahi Minash ShaiTaanirRajeem.
Bismillaahir RaHmaanir RaHeem.

AlHamdulillaahi Rabbil 'Aalameen Was Salaatu Was Salaamu 'Alaan Nabiyil Kareem.

You cannot be taken seriously.
Your comments are inordinately unsensible.

"- us vs. them mentality and jihad-like focus on resistance"

No, but Jihaad is part of the Religion, meaning "Struggle" literally, I don't intend anything jihad-like as you say.

Going about life not committing oneself and living with doubtful practices is disease of one's sunna or "way of life".

An Nabiyullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam has told us (in approximated translation) to "Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt."

You will stay on the path of the Kaafir and fail, or go straight 'AlaaS SiraaTul Mustaqeem and, with the Permission of your Lord, Allaah, alone, prosper.

I don't control your Destiny, but it is Predetermined...

I have seen recently on youtube a video showing a proof that Ar Rasuulullaah Sal Allaahu 'Alaihi Was Sallam was Commanding the people with Commands that can only be from Allaah, though videos and modern proofs do not measure up to the eternal proof and Miracle of Al Quran Al Qudus which every actual Muslim believes entirely and without doubt.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a3Zv9MDxpHw

Interesting, Hmm?

Be Good.

Silly Allah said...

You crack me up. LOL. In your rebuttal, you say "Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt." In other words, you are a blind believer and wish to remain a blind believer in your cult.

To all the non-Muslim readers, this is what the Muslim blind believers think about you:

"Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah . . . When you meet your enemies who are unbelievers, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294)

And here's a great video from Pat Condell:
Sharia fiasco

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.
In post script refutation of your claiming such a blind faith, that subject is directly addressed by that which I posted just previous to your failed attempt to discredit Al Eemaan (the Faith) which is not blind as you say.

Silly Allah said...

If your faith is not blind, why won't you do you "leave that which makes you doubt"?

Why won't you take the skeptical path and learn? Are you afraid to find out that you've wasted your life on an imaginary friend?

QuddusMow said...

Bismillaah.
AlHamdulillaah Was Sal Allaahu 'Alan Nabiyil Kareem.

Mashaa Allaah, I have no doubt in Ad Deen Al Islaam, and stop trying to take people away from the Guidance you human enemy to all of mankind.
Surely the evil one, the Accursed outcast is a clear enemy to mankind.

Quiet your mind and wait for a day when the sun will rise from the West, then the Matter will be seen for what it is and even the Kaafireen will have no doubt and will have belief, but that belief will not then help, it will then be too late for the proven belief to help them.

Silly Allah said...

More entertainment from the brainwashed Muslim:

"I have no doubt in Ad Deen Al Islaam,"

I have no doubt you do. LOL, you're brainwashed and are afraid to question your beliefs. It's called "blind faith."

"stop trying to take people away from the Guidance you human enemy to all of mankind.
Let's see, more ad hominem fallacy ("human enemy").

Look, I am not going to stop as long as I see brainwashed people like you calling others their "enemy" with threats, calling for punishments like 100 lashes, and not realizing that a 54 year old man having sex with a 9 year old is sick,...

Islam is a false, violent, misogynist cult started by a pedophile. If you don't agree, prove me wrong.

"Kaafireen" - interesting that you use the derogatory word for unbelievers. Do you want to strike off our fingertips and our heads?

wheatington said...

Barbarians do not think so argument is pointless. Even if they could debate, the moon god told them to lie to infidels.

Pedophilia is disgusting enough but not the end of the sexual depravity for these goat-bearded followers of Satan.

I have written about Muslim perversion on my blog.
http://1159pmgmt.blogspot.com/2008/04/filth-and-more-filth.html

Perhaps quddusmow could explain how the Ayatollah erred in his interpretation.

I've written that the correct number of Muslims in the West is same as the correct number of Nazis. I wonder if quddusmow can do the math?

Please keep up the good work. Confronting the barbarians is a crusade which will eventually expose these Satan worshippers.

wheatington said...

It is mind numbing to read the lies from Muslims and their dhimmis. Not one of them is capable of intellectual argument.

Mohamed was a pedophile. His official biographers say so. Why can't Muslims understand that?

Please keep up the good work of trashing the satanic doctrine of the moon god.

Andrea said...

I have just read this entire argument, and I am amazed by the two completely different forms of debate. One is based on logic, reason, and a desire to understand and learn; while the other is aggressive, childish, and irrelevant to the key issues of discussion. This is a perfect example of how religion harms the human race. Replacing wisdom with religion does nothing but create a race of fearful, hateful, and resentful, creatures who destroy everything good that humans are capable of. Why can't people realize that if there is something as magnificent as a higher being, that created everything, and continues to govern our lives, that this being should be represented with love and tolerance, not violence and oppression.

Leah said...

I have to say that this post is insightful to say the least. It also offers a breath of fresh air as it would seem that nowadays everyone and anything is allowed to be questioned and debated apart from Islam (including other faiths).

It would seem that people are to fearfull to speak out against obvious injustices within this religion. I do not believe that because Muslim's see their god and prophet as the be all and end all others should be forced to do the same. It is outright hypocrisy that anyone can challenge my ideas and beliefs yet their's is untouchable.

Rationality is the only path to enlightenment and during this debate their only seemed to be one reasonable rational participant.
Any religion that condones violence, misogyny (in its extremist form) and pedophilia. Is not from god (if such a being exists) but infact far from anything good or righteous. Yet brainwashing as proved throughout history pulls human beings as rational indeviduals away from truth and almost blinds them.

Any sexism in Islam is not founded on truth. Since women have been emancepated in the western world all previous ignorance has been proved illogical. Yet still in the 21st century clouded minds cling to primitive reasoning which has no place in the world today. In addition, all the statistics that were included in this relating to sexual crimes and underage sex were just a desperate attempt to gain footing in the debate. For a start in western countries women are encouraged and feel comfortable to report sexual crimes. Whereas, in Islamic countries such things would be looked upon with shame or as the woman's fault and so women don't generally report these things. Secondly underage sex may not be number one on the list for a healthy society. However, preferable to grown middle aged perverts raping young girls (which is what it is if she is too young to consent).

Furthermore, to even reason with the idea that a 9 year old child is ready for sexual intercorse goes against nature itself. No matter what god or prophets were ment to have said or done. If something is proved unnatural and harmful to say the least there is no debate on the issue. I can't believe I am even trying to justify this what kind of a world do we live in? What kind of a warped person would try to justify this?

These kind of ideas religious or not are a disease. Eating a way at humanity, goodness, rationality and truth. We must not allow them to affect progressive societies where women are seen as human and no less important than a man, where tolerance is given and where peodophilia is seen as the most abhorrent of crimes.

johan said...

Its rather interesting how people justify the contents of a book by referring the same book.

"Little Red Riding really did meet the wolf"

"Why?"

"Because the story of Little Red Riding hood says so!"

Its lunacy to be honest, ignorant fallacious lunacy and the religious refuse to see it.

The next interesting point is that you allege the violence of the islamic faith to its women. The response of muslims is to call for your destruction? How ignorant does one have to be to put forward such comments without realising the hypocrisy of it?

Then a bunch of idiots start claiming the faults of western morality... when its just been illustrated that the quran calls for the immoral discrimination and physical abuse of women.

An excellent thought provoking post. Remember, the harder the religious bang their drums, cite there nonsensical holy books and threaten your existend, the more accurate your criticism of their faith.

Keep up the good work.

B. James Stinson said...

I would hope for a little more validation than just the ranting and self-parody of some admittedly over-the-top critics. I would like to pose the question: is it possible to have a collegial, intelligent exchange of differing views on Islam without descending into taunting by one side and Mel Brooks-style buffoonery on the other? It's not a rhetorical question, but it does arise from exasperation.