Saturday, November 10, 2007

Mohammad's pedophilia - Part 3

Last typical Muslim responses to Aisha

5. It was customary to marry that young

Fact: There is no record in ancient times demonstrating that it was customary to marry as young as Aisha. Nor does any historical record show such an age disparity between a 51 year old man and his marriage to a six year old. Finally, and most importantly, it was not customary for a 54 year old man to have sex with a 9 year old (especially one that played with dolls).

Proof - let's take a look at other ancient cultures:

Ancient Greece and Rome

Around AD 530, and at least as far back as the reign of Augustus, the legal minimum age of marriage for girls was 12 and for boys 14, and Roman children of the aristocracy married youngest.

In Ancient Greece, "[t]hough the marriage of a girl to a man twenty years her elder was common, sexual relations between the very young and very old were a standard subject for mirth". However, marriage was not as early as in Rome, possibly at age 18 for girls, but also to men a decade older, but at least 25.

Middle Ages Europe
Women were marriageable right after puberty, marriage arrangements were made while they were in infancy; they were wed at the age of twelve or fourteen to men in their twenties and thirties. The arrangements were often loveless political unions, certainly abusive by contemporary standards and conducive of great gaps in learning and maturity between wives and husbands.

Ancient Jewish culture
"For Jewish women--as for women in antiquity generally--marriage was often entered into early. We do not have many inscriptions recording the age at which women were married, but the few who record it mention ages varying from 12 to 18 years. 15 was probably an average age for a girl to marry.

Footnote: See Horsley, New Documents 4 (1987)222-227, on age at marriage. He states that the few data we have seem to suggest a higher marriage age for Jewish than for pagan girls."

Ancient Egypt
...most Egyptian men were eager to follow the advice of the wisdom literature urging them to take a wife while still young so they could found a household and raise a family. Most men were married by the age of twenty to girls who might have been as young as fifteen. There was an age difference, but usually not more than two or three years.

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So you see, you're instincts are right. It's unusual and sick to for a 54 year old man to have sex with a pre-pubescent 9 year old that is playing with dolls.

Next post...more examples of pedophilia in Islam.

15 comments:

mzaidi said...

There is no record of any relationship of a senior male with an adolescent or minor girl in initial Muslim era. Moreover, in Arab culture, girls used to reach the age of puberty at the age of 9 years, but they were not meant to be involved in sexual activity before growing more old.
The people who think or write indecent comments regarding the holiest personalities like Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Jesus or Hazrat Muhammad (peace and blessings of Almighty God be upon them all), must get ready for the wrath of God in the form of exemplary punishment upon such persons. In addition, anyone who is in any doubt about the holiest and the most sacred life of the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him), must look into the very fact that the Holy Prophet never indulged or involved into any type of indecency even at the prime of his youth, when he was not married yet. It is therefore, his worst enemies of his contemporary times never raised a finger regarding his noble and pious life and sacred character. In addition, marriage at small age was a tradition among Arabs, which can be analysed by going through the history of that era. So, sexual relationship after reaching the age of puberty has always been the part of all cultures and civilizations.

Silly Allah said...

Your comment is quite funny. You not only contradict the Hadith, but you contradict yourself. You wrote:

"There is no record of any relationship of a senior male with an adolescent or minor girl in initial Muslim era."

Then you wrote:

"In addition, marriage at small age was a tradition among Arabs, which can be analysed by going through the history of that era."

Never mind this obvious error. Just go through this post to reference Muhmammad's own pedophilia. It was documented by other Muslims as I'm sure you know.

Also, this comment is just plain false and unscientific: "in Arab culture, girls used to reach the age of puberty at the age of 9 years," as can be seen in this post on Muslim apologist nonsense on Muhammad's pedophilia.

mzaidi said...

No other nation or community, but only and only Jews are the people who killed lots of prophets of God, condemned them, teased them, inflicted pains and sufferings upon them, refused to submit before them and exercised blasphemy upon them. They blamed that Noah drank wine, Abraham lied, Jacob deceived Isaac, Lot committed adultery and incest, Moses was in love with Pharaoh's daughter, Aaron made golden calf, Solomon exercised adultery...John committed wrong and even said that Holy Mary was not holy and Christ was son of some Joseph.....
The Jews always tried to present the holiest personalities in an awkward in order to conceal the incest, homosexuality, paraphilia and all types of sins committed and observed in almost all houses, residences, offices and areas of this filthy community, which was once beloved of God, but had been condemned and cursed forever and ever!!! One should look into his own life before pointing out the Holiest Personalities, whose life was full of sacred revelation from Almighty God, the Omnipotent!

Silly Allah said...

Wonderful - you have been proven wrong so quickly and easily that you turn to the favorite Muslim pastime - blame the Joooozzzz! Is that why your holy Hadith has this:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

You're just following the sick, violent words of a mad man from 1400 years ago. Instead of questioning whether Muhammad's words were true or false because I've proven you wrong, you quickly turn to Jew-hating.

What's amazing is that your Jew-hating diatribe is filled with more false material. For example, homosexuality is prohibited in Leviticus, everybody knows that. Question - do you hate homosexuals as much as you do Jews? A little more or less? You also hate Christians, Hindus, atheists...how do you go through life filled with so much hate? Or are you more upset that you couldn't have joined in on the killing in Mumbai with your Muslim buddies?

So - tell me - if you believe all the prophets are sacred, how do you deal with the fact that so many of them are Jews? This must really bother you.

You are so brainwashed and you don't even know it. Sad.

mzaidi said...

Hello Dear all!
Please look into these few realities:
Looking into the history of the world at large, it becomes evident that no single prophet of God even was Jew at all; Abraham was the true and righteous Muslim, who was on the right path followed by Noah. Abraham's offspring including Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and others were Muslims. Only Judah's offspring was Jew. It was Judah, who conspired to throw Joseph into dark well out of Judah's jealousy and envy for the righteous prophet of God. Jews tried to falsify Moses by raising unnecessary questions about the existence of Lord; they insisted Moses to show them the countenance of God, but could not see Him; it were Jews, who made golden calf and worshiped it day and night; it were Jews to challenged Samson's teachings; Jews refused to combat Goliath, even David asked them again and again to do so. It were Jews, who inflicted pains on John, imposed false blames on Virtuous Mary again and again; Jew not only refuted Jesus's claims of being a Prophet of God, but also stood like rock to make conspiracy regarding the crucifying of Jesus Christ. It were only Jews, who changed the words of Torah, fearing lest the people identified the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him and his sacred family) with the help of signs manifestly described in Torah, Bible and Gospels. It were Jews who entered into contract with the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him), but stood by infidels at the time of war. It were Jews who conspired against Muslims during the Battle of Trench, and ran away in the Battle of Khybar, when the sword of Hazrat Ali bin Abu Talib killed their warrior;
Jews are the cursed community, which always displayed immorality, wickedness, incest, homosexuality, falsehood and crimes in the world. It were Jews who witnessed humiliation from the brave German leader Adolf Hitler, who had very rightly estimated the nefarious designs of Jews.
Hope you will not conceal these truths.

Silly Allah said...

Your last sentence says it all:

"brave German leader Adolf Hitler, who had very rightly estimated the nefarious designs of Jews."

You're one sick, twisted individual and a living example of why Islam is a dangerous and terrible cult. The end result of Islamic brainwashing is you - your posts only make my point.

I guess you're still upset that I so easily demonstrated your supposed "prophet" to be a pedophile, and you were defeated in debate.

The nutty thing is that you commented with this Jew-hating diatribe on a blog that has nothing to do with Jews. This is about the sickness that is Islam. After all, I'm an atheist. I understand, though, since it's typical for Muhammad's followers to hate Jews as much as he did. You get so caught up in your Jew-hatred that you don't even realize it. Anybody that exposes Islam for the violent, hate-infused, racist, sexist, cult started by a pedophile gets called a Jew. It's just the nature of the beast.

You didn't answer all my questions, though. You only answered one of them - clearly it does bother you that so many of the prophets (Moses, Jesus,...) are Jewish. Oh well, too bad for you.

What about these questions:
Do you hate homosexuals as much as you do Jews? A little more or less? You also hate Christians, Hindus, atheists...how do you go through life filled with so much hate? Or are you more upset that you couldn't have joined in on the killing in Mumbai with your Muslim buddies?

mzaidi said...

You are a liar, and deceiver, mere a cheater, indeed a Hindu or Jew in the guise of atheist. Otherwise, not individual can gather courage to select this name of your website, mean person! Listen sick idiot! NO PROPHET WAS JEW AT ALL, because nefarious Jew nation is the product of JUDAH, WHO THREW JOSEPH INTO THE DARK WELL. ALL OTHER PROPHETS OF GOD WERE THE OFFSPRING OF ABRAHAM; ISAAC WAS NOT OFFSPRING OF JUDAH, JACOB WAS ALSO OFFSPRING OF ABRAHAM, NOT JUDAH; JOSEPH WAS THE VICTIM OF JUDAH'S CRIME, RATHER HIS SON!!!
The individuals like you have turned this earth into the burning hell BY killing unarmed Palestinians, Iraqis, Lebanese and others.
DO YOU KNOW ALMOST ALL PROPHETS HAD MARRIED MORE THAN ONCE, OR HAD WIVES AND CONCUBINES?? THEN WHY THE POLYGAMY OF ISLAM CAUSES ANGER IN YOUR DIRTY HEART????
The illegitimate individuals like you have no right to criticise the greatest and holiest people of God.
Understand?????

mzaidi said...

If you are a legitimate child of your mother, then why are you concealing your identity as the offspring of filthy Judah????????????

Silly Allah said...

Wow, you really are a nutjob - have you met with a psychiatrist? Maybe try more bran in your diet, that can also help. Please keep going, you are just making my point again and again. Do you remember your last post when you praised "brave Adolf Hitler"?

Hey crazy man, you really have a lot of anger and hatred - so have you killed any Jews yet? Come on, you know you did. Just tell us about it. Hey crazy man, have you raped any 9 year olds like your silly prophet?

Also, you still haven't answered my questions:

Do you hate homosexuals as much as you do Jews? A little more or less? You also hate Christians, Hindus, atheists...how do you go through life filled with so much hate? Or are you more upset that you couldn't have joined in on the killing in Mumbai with your Muslim buddies?

Silly Allah said...

Hey crazy man, as I told you (and I have no reason to lie) I am an atheist. Do you still want to kill me?

mzaidi said...

First of all, the answer of your question is this that I do never hate Jews; you can find my POEM and essays at various websites, where I have shown similarities between Muslims and Jews.
In addition, I, along with my JEW and Christian friends, have vehemently condemned homosexuality at different writing forums.
But my thoughts and views began taking a drastic change, when I visited different Jew chat rooms and websites, which have been filled with the hatred against Muslims. Your website is also an example of it.
One request i.e. please look into all these points without prejudice, biasedness and hatred against Muslims, i.e. regarding the Holy Prophet's marrying a young girl, you can see that had Solomon not married the girl of the same age??? And please let me know what was the age of Virgin Mary, when she gave birth to Christ?? Moreover, do you know what was the age of Abraham when he was thrown into the fire??? Actually, in Arab culture, girls grew up and reached adolescence at quite a young age. So almost all people of Arabia got their daughters into marital knot at quite a young age. The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) arranged the marriage of his sacred daughter at the same age, at which he had married Ayesha.
In addition, please take into account the word rape, which stands for the unwilling sexual union of two or more persons, where they have not been entered into a marital-knot, nor the victim is willing for that union. For instance, the researches report that in some parts of Australia and some of the western countries, usually fathers, brothers, uncles or others rape their daughters, sisters, nieces and others from the age of 7 years. Renowned writer Dorothy Allison also wrote in her book that her step-father started raping her at the age of 5 without her will or assent.
Actually, it is the true rule of nature that only the ignorant, illegitimate and blind at heart rebuke the holiest personalities sent by God. The sick people ignore the youthful life of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him), which was more sacred than angels. The Holy Prophet is the sacred personality out of whose love, the Lord has created this universe.
Please ponder on one thing only rather starting abusing the Muslims or criticizing the Prophet, i.e. have you studied the last years or end days of those people, who used to rebuke the prophet??? God made them a sign of repentance and remorse. Do you know what has happened with the person who had created the caricatures of our prophet (peace be upon him)???
Being Muslim, we cannot even criticize any Holy Prophet, though you are applying most indecent words for our Prophet.

neel said...

MZAIDI u r a CUNT i am a proud SIKH and i know that u porkies who follow u r lunatic poop et mohammad(pbuh=pigs be with him) are all crazy.No other religion tells their followers to kill non believers.As a matter of face in Hindu and Sikh Holy Books its says clearly to respect all religions.God is one just have different names.You filthy pigs have problems with everyone we Indians support ISRAEL 100% they have a right to defend themselves against u r lunatic brothers

Silly Allah said...

Mzaidi, you are amazingly dishonest. You wrote "I do never hate Jews" and even claim to have "JEW friends," yet this is what you've already written on this page:

"The Jews always tried to present the holiest personalities in an awkward in order to conceal the incest, homosexuality, paraphilia and all types of sins committed and observed in almost all houses, residences, offices and areas of this filthy community"

"Jews are the cursed community, which always displayed immorality, wickedness, incest, homosexuality, falsehood and crimes in the world."

"brave German leader Adolf Hitler, who had very rightly estimated the nefarious designs of Jews."

"You are a liar, and deceiver, mere a cheater, indeed a Hindu or Jew "

"offspring of filthy Judah"

Then, because you could not answer the fact that Muhammad had sex with a doll-playing 9 year old girl, you just used the "tu quoque" (you too!) logical fallacy. Well, I don't have sex with 9 year old girls, and clearly you're disgusted with it enough to try the "you do it too" fallacy to take some blame away from your sicko prophet.

Hedonist said...

Yes, I also came across a couple of historical “references” that guessed Ayesha’s age anywhere from 9, 13, 15, 17, 19! So take your pick! Most critics naturally choose 9 (or younger!) as it would most likely debase Prophet Mohammed by contemporary standards; actually, by one’s personal standards. So what qualifies you to judge a Prophet of God? I tend to believe none of these “authorities” really knew how to count since they’re actually stating, “Ayesha was 9 years old, give or take 10 years!” Pretty damn lame! But even in this era, adolescents of all cultures and religious denominations are enjoined in Holy Matrimony with each other or (much) older suitors all over the world including Europe and the USA. And they really don’t give a rat’s ass whether or not it’s OK in your books.

The term “Pedophilia” has multiple meanings and no specific relevance to the singular incident of Mohammed’s marriage to Ayesha (Check out http://www.religioustolerance.org/pedophile.htm ). But I suppose it is politically correct to flush objectivity down the commode and latch on to the sleazier references to Pedophilia being a “disorder” and Mohammed a flag bearer.

Nevertheless, applying your contemporary “litmus test” to determine if Ayesha was indeed a pre-pubescent child as you and the psychology paraplegics wish for us to believe, how come there is absolutely no reference anywhere to Ayesha exhibiting any of the typical symptoms associated with victims of child sexual abuse that our learned Psychiatry pundits attribute to pedophilia? Unless, of course, our shrinks are way off the mark or Ayesha was not a child! Besides, who’d trust these limp-wristed faggots approving pedophilia amongst gay males? (Easy Answer: Limp-wristed faggots!). See links: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/ca-wt-04-19-02/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._(1998)

It is not unusual for Eastern women to play with dolls and on swings as adults. On the other hand, most Easterners would describe the Western improvisation (viz. DOLLS – the inflatable variety, and SWINGS – swing clubs, swinging, wife swapping, etc.) as vile and demeaning.

There’s argument that since Mary was 12 or 13 when she had Jesus, that Charles V married a 9 yo girl, or that the Late Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 yo cousin is no justification for popular consensus that it is OK that Mohammed married a 9 yo (i.e. IF Ayesha was indeed 9!). People were vying for the privilege of having a Prophet of God as their very own son-in-law REGARDLESS OF THE CONSUMMATION TAKING PLACE PERHAPS EVEN YEARS LATER.

Consider this: if Mohammed, who conquered almost half the world, had any kinky inclinations, what was there to stop him from maintaining legions of lollypop-licking, pig-tailed, pre-school kids for his personal entertainment citing undisputable approval from God as a pretext? And why marriage instead of the good-ol’, down-right, straight-up debauchery a la pontifical privilege, or Hindu ritualistic teachings, or accepted practise in various world cultures? Read up on his life and you will realize the strict moral standard he preached and practiced, and severe punishment for moral turpitude. But read objectively with an open mind. Unless you happen to be Mormon or some other cultist. In which case, it’s a waste of time arguing with idiots from Outer Space. Our lingo is way different. Certain forms of punishment prescribed by Islamic Sharia Law is certainly considered “barbaric” by contemporary standards – especially by those recalcitrant scum on a determined course to invite Divine wrath upon the rest!

No bono fide monotheistic religion preaches debauchery or the other mortal sins abhorred by Divine Commandment. There is no compulsion in religion – or in following no religion at all! To each his own! But be warned my clever little agnostics, atheists, and other members of the avant-garde clique, come time for the Angel of Death to seize your soul (and your haughty diminutive testicles), YOU WILL ALL BELIEVE IN ALLAH. Peace!

Ironically, in a separate context, when I cite examples of Charles V, Jerry Lee, etc. these critics of Islam resort to double standards: one such divinely enlightened repository of knowledge shrugged his shoulders and quipped, “Hey! If you’re old enough to bleed, you’re old enough to breed!” What’da’Fff !! Crude, or crudely put? Go figure …

Later.

Silly Allah said...

Trying to weed through all your verbiage...so, basically, you don't believe the obvious proof that Ayesha was a 9 year old, pre-pubescent girl playing with dolls when the 54 year old Muhammad had sex with her. It's funny that you can pick and choose which part of the Sahih (witness and proven) Hadith to believe. Regardless, you actually make my point. By trying to deny the fact, you demonstrate your own disgust for the act.

Next, you just use the standard tu quoque (you too!) logical fallacy over and over: "when I cite examples of Charles V, Jerry Lee, etc. these critics of Islam resort to double standards." You're simply wrong. I (and other critics I have read) have no double standard so stop claiming otherwise. Sex with a pre-pubescent 9 year old is sick and wrong.

Wake up. You have no proof that Allah exists or that Muhammad was a prophet. You are apologizing for imaginary beings and a sick individual with no prophetic power.